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Discussion for Today

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This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_September_22


September 22

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NEW NOMINATIONS

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Category:American people who self-identify as being of Native American descent

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Nominator's rationale: Failed verification and WP:NONDEF issues. I checked several articles at random and most do not support the source of the claim of Native American descent being "self-identification" or that the individuals have not "shared proof of this heritage" (proof is not mentioned). The insinuation here is that these people are not genuinely of Native American descent but sources don't support (or contradict) that. As for some self-sourced claims of descent being false, that is true for all other types of descent but we justifiably don't have Category:People who self-identify as being of Sephardic Jewish descent. Furthermore, people saying "I'm Native American" in an interview, if they lack a genuine connection to Native American culture, is never going to meet the standard for categorization in WP:NONDEF. (t · c) buidhe 21:19, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National Girls Baseball League players

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Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:NONDEF. Not a notable league which was limited to only one state and all of these players were better known for their time with the AAGPBL. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

National shores of the United States

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Nominator's rationale: De-caps per WP:C2A. Similar nomination were opposed at CFDS (see other entries on today's log), so I am bringing this to a full discussion. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 19:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National Monuments of Colombia

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Nominator's rationale: De-caps per WP:C2A. It was possibly opposed at CFDS (see the other discussions on today's log), so I am bringing this to a full discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National Monuments in Guyana

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Nominator's rationale: De-caps per WP:C2A. It was possibly opposed at CFDS (see the other discussions on today's log), so I am bringing this to a full discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National Parks in Indiana

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Nominator's rationale: De-caps per everything else in the tree of Category:National parks of the United States by state. It was possibly opposed at CFDS, so I am starting a full discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:33, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

National (P/p)arks of Canada

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Nominator's rationale: De-caps per WP:C2A. It was potentially opposed at CFDS, so I am bringing this to a full CFD. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 19:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Thai political parties disestablished in 2024

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This isolated category is incorrectly using Template:PolParsDisEstCat and there's not a need to disffuse Political parties disestablished in 2024 by nationality Mason (talk) 19:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

National (M/m)onuments in the United States categories

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Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D per List of national monuments of the United States. These were opposed as CFDS, so I am starting a full discussion. Pinging @Hey man im josh, Omnis Scientia, and RadioKAOS for their thoughts. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 19:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy discussion
I guess you responded after I stopped checking regularly for a response, so thank you for the note on my talk page. DGG is deceased, so it's obviously not an option to seek his input. I'm opposed to using obscure corners of project space to bypass discussion on items which should be discussed. Some editors in those project spaces appear only interested in pursuing (a purely superficial notion ) consistency, often without regard for whether there was any consistency involved WRT consensus enroute to that point. Hence, my earlier mention venue-shopping. I have no strong opinion on capitalization variants other than they're often time wasters that stand in the way of moving the project forward. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't answer the question @RadioKAOS, we need to know whether you're opposing just the national monuments nominations, or also the national forest nominations. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I left them a message after the above reply on their talk page and I've left them another one now. We still need clarity on whether the objection is just to the national monuments renamings, or the other renamings as well, including the national forests. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a ridiculous failure of communication... They've been pinged for clarity four times and had three messages left on their talk page about this. Personally I think it's reasonable to proceed with all but the national monuments nominations since there's been a lot of effort made to seek out clarity on this and they're not providing it. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe they're talking about the monuments categories solely, but I'm obviously a bit biased as the nominator. Any thoughts @Ymblanter? Hey man im josh (talk) 17:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh, I full support this move but I'd say move this to full Cfd, just to be safe. At this point, it is safe to say this person is deliberatly ignoring you. If they have an objection, they can raise it there. If not, then they had numerous oppertunities to do so. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Natural Monuments of Nepal

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Nominator's rationale: Capitalization fix; C2D per List of natural monuments in Nepal. It was sort of opposed as CFDS, so I am bringing this to a full CFD to be safe. Pinging @Hey man im josh, Omnis Scientia, and RadioKAOS for their thoughts. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

National (F/f)orests categories

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Nominator's rationale: Sort of WP:C2A, fixing capitalization. These were possibly opposed at CFDS, but to be safe I am initiating a full discussion. Pinging @Hey man im josh, Omnis Scientia, and RadioKAOS for their thoughts. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 19:04, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish actors on Hogan's Heroes

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Convert Category:Jewish actors on Hogan's Heroes to article Jewish actors on Hogan's Heroes
Nominator's rationale: I think that this category needs a lot of context and thus should be a list/page not a category. Mason (talk) 18:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American Folklorists of Color

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge per WP:OCawards Mason (talk) 18:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retain -- This category is about a very specific group of folklorists, those that were named by the American Folklore Society. Some of those included are not African-American; some are Hispanic and Native American. Pete unseth (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But that's not a reason to keep a category. This isn't defining. Mason (talk) 19:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison, I would say delete rather than merge since they aren't all African American. (I don't know why it is a subcategory of that though since that is the case). ETA: also manually add categories if needed. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for checking! I think manually merge is a good solution. I had added everyone already to the American folklorists. Mason (talk) 19:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Plant root morphology

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Nominator's rationale: Upmege. There's no need to distinguish between plant roots and plant toor morphology. Note: The category creator was banned blocked for disruptive category creation. Mason (talk) 15:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The creator has not been banned. Please do not make statements that are both incorrect and irrelevant when they could be seen as canvassing a debate.
That said, upmerge Andy Dingley (talk) 18:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom.
@Andy Dingley, I agree with what you said but the creator has indeed been blocked - See here - and that they were blocked for disruptive category creation. Additionally, I think it is relevant in this case because this was one of the many categories they created just before they were blocked. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the ANI board and you were part of the convo there. So I'm guessing you meant something else by "bannned" since they are blocked from editing. I assumed they were interchangable. I'm guessing @Smasongarrison meant "blocked" as well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I meant blocked. My bad. I've stricken and updated the nom. Mason (talk) 19:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cell division

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This category isn't helpful for navigation because it only has one page and a category. It's also a category created by a user blocked for disruptive category creation. Mason (talk) 15:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: We really don't need to intersection ethnicity/religion with area of scholarship. The category creator needs to review WP:EGRS.Mason (talk) 03:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously, though - are you guys totally unaware that Jewish legal scholarship stretches back centuries? (Actually, millenia.) It is deeply embedded in Jewish culture, outlook and ethos - and intertwined with Western legal history. So it's not in the least surprising that there are so many Jewish people among the ranks of Category:American legal scholars - and that so many of the most well-known and widely cited American legal scholars are Jewish.
Here is a small selection of the "google blurbs" that turned up when I googled "Jewish legal scholars history", which should give you a sense of what I'm alluding to:
  • Jewish Law and American Law, Volume 2 - Academic Studies Press
Through careful comparative analysis, the essays also turn to Jewish law to provide insights into substantive and conceptual areas of the American legal system, ...
  • The Hebrews and the Foundation of Western Law
Starting as early as the second century A.D., Jewish scholars attempted to compile a code of laws from the Torah and other sources, which would assemble all ...
  • The Hidden Influence of Jewish Law on the Common Law Tradition
As Christian scholars sought contacts with Jewish intellectuals in order to...
  • Jewish Law: A Very Brief Account - David D. Friedman
Jewish law may be the best recorded legal system in the history of the world; there are hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of pages of surviving ...
  • Oxford University Press - An Introduction to the History and Sources of Jewish Law
Jewish law has a history stretching from the early period to the modern State of Israel, encompassing: the Talmud, Geonic, and later codifications. // :Instead, the work would take a broader view and include material from the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hellenistic Egypt, Roman law, the Samaritans and the Karaites
  • Jewish Law Research Guide | University of Miami School of Law
The Post-Talmudic legal scholars are separated into three historical sub-periods: geonim (700-1050), reshonim (1050-1599), and aharonim (1600-today).
In closing, I've now added 15 more articles to this category, and there are scores more that can be added. Which reminds me: I also created Category:African-American legal scholars a few years back, which now has 42 articles. Like their Jewish counterparts, they bring their own outlook and ethos with them when they engage in legal scholarship. And lastly, I just created the "missing" parent cat, Category:Jewish legal scholars. There are scores of articles about non-American Jewish legal scholars waiting to be added. Anomalous+0 (talk) 11:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Church of Sweden clergymen in Colonial North America

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Nominator's rationale: This category is extremely narrow. I think it should either be merged to 17th/18th century American Lutheran clergy or renamed to Church of Sweden clergy from the Thirteen Colonies Mason (talk) 03:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:France and the Sea

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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining/vague category. Mason (talk) 03:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nijisanji

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Nominator's rationale: Category with only a single entry. Partofthemachine (talk) 02:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People of Mexican side in the Texas Revolution

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Nominator's rationale: The current name sounds awkward and is confusing/inconsistent Mason (talk) 01:53, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Things in the United States that were built by slaves

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Convert Category:Things in the United States that were built by slaves to article Things in the United States that were built by slaves
Nominator's rationale: Unforuntely, I don't think that this is defining because these "things" aren't regularlly defined as built by slaves Mason (talk) 00:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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